There was a revealing exchange at the very end of Monday’s edition of The New York Times “The Daily” podcast that is worth remembering as Democrats psych themselves up with a convention this week.

Asked what a potential Kamala Harris administration might look like, politics reporter Astead Herndon laughed. “We don’t know what type of president she would be,” he admitted. He said it’s not even clear if it would be any different from Joe Biden’s presidency but that it doesn’t really matter anyway. “Frankly, if you ask any Democrat, they would say that’s tomorrow’s problem, and as long as she wins the election and stops Donald Trump from winning another term, they don’t care,” he said. “They really don’t care. They’ll deal with that then.”

In short, Democrats have no interest in hearing anything that sounds even remotely like policy or legislative action from Kamala. That’s “tomorrow’s problem.”

No wonder. Her first attempt late last week at putting forth what might tangentially be called “ideas” confounded everyone cheering for her (the national news media). To date, Kamala’s policy proposals are limited to axing federal taxes on gratuities (which she stole from Trump), a child tax credit (which she stole from her boss), and a $25,000 giveaway for first-time home buyers (the sort of proposal every economist not named “Paul Krugman” would laugh at). Oh, and best of all, her proposal for a “federal ban on price gauging on food.” She presumably meant “gouging” but, yes, she said, gauging.

To be sure, it’s not as if the press is “turning on her,” as Fox News people like to say anytime a Democrat is mildly criticized by the media from the left. If that were true, Axios would have called her first-time home buyer giveaway stupid as hell and unworthy of acknowledgment. Instead, Axios said it was “hard to see how this plan would affect [housing] prices and availability in a meaningful way.” The Washington Post didn’t call her blurbs sophomoric and unserious, but rather “gimmicks” that are simply “misguided.“

But we don’t have a legitimate news media, we have the American news media, so we take what we can get.

In any event, it remains just as true today as it did last month and for the duration of the three years before that — that Kamala is in over her head, has no interest in governance, and is incapable of selling a vision, because she has none.

That’s why you keep hearing about “vibes” and “joy.” She can’t talk about anything else, and as the Times’ Astead Herndon said, they don’t want her to. Because she can’t. When she tries, it’s an embarrassment. Embarrassments lose elections.

Kamala talking about policy will lose Democrats this election.