In a surprising moment at the memorial service for Ethel Kennedy on Wednesday, Presidents Joe Biden and Barack Obama were caught on camera having what appeared to be a serious exchange. The service, held at the Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle in Washington, D.C., brought together political leaders from across the country to honor the widow of Robert F. Kennedy.

Amid the solemn occasion, speculation swirled over what exactly Biden and Obama were discussing during their private conversation, especially with only weeks remaining until the 2024 presidential election. Ethel Kennedy, who passed away at age 96 following complications from a stroke, was a towering figure in American political and social circles. The funeral was a somber event, drawing prominent political figures like Bill Clinton, who delivered a touching speech. However, it wasn’t long before the buzz shifted from honoring Ethel to dissecting the interaction between Biden and Obama.

Professional lip-reader Jeremy Freeman, hired by The New York Post to analyze the video footage of the two presidents, provided some shocking revelations about their conversation. According to Freeman, the exchange took a turn toward Vice President Kamala Harris and her perceived strength going into the upcoming election. During the conversation, Biden reportedly said, “She’s not as strong as me,” in reference to Harris, with Obama responding, “I know… that’s true.”

The two continued their discussion, with Obama offering some words of reassurance, adding, “We have time.” Biden followed by saying, “Yeah, we’ll get it in time.” Even though Freedman didn’t explicitly mention Harris in his transcription, it’s hard to imagine who else could have been the subject of the discussion. Freedman characterized the conversation as “very supportive” and noted that he sensed “no tension” between Obama and Biden, despite rumors fueled by Obama shaking his head at one point.

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The comments suggest a critical assessment of Harris’s candidacy by two of the most influential figures in the Democratic Party. With Biden being forced by fellow Democrats to step aside in July in favor of Harris, who now leads the Democratic ticket, the conversation fuels further speculation about internal party conflicts. Earlier reports from insiders have hinted at growing friction between Harris’s team and Biden’s former White House aides.

“From the outset, there has been widespread concern that Harris was not a strong alternative to Biden, who clearly was a sinking ship. So much so [that] multiple House members floated the idea of an open convention or removing Harris from the ticket along with Biden,” one Democratic source told The Post. “Democrats essentially robbed Peter to pay Paul and are now stuck with a less likable sinking ship.”

Before Biden withdrew from the race, multiple sources close to him suggested that his resentment towards Obama spurred him to persist in his campaign, according to Axios. After Biden stepped down, Obama commended him, calling his decision a reflection of his “love of country.” Earlier this week, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) mentioned she hadn’t talked to Biden in months, adding that she thinks some of his supporters still “haven’t forgiven” her for urging him to make that decision.